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Police are investigating Labour MP Harry Cohen over his expenses claims, according to the BBC. Mr Cohen, who is standing down, was considered to be in "serious" breach of the expenses rules.

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Nick Clegg, the leader of the Liberal Democrats, has said that fair taxation, a green economy, education investment and political reform would be central to his demands if negotiation a post-election deal in a hung parliament. He has called for a £10bn debt repayment in the next financial year to begin cutting Britain's deficit and calm the financial markets.

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Cameron approval rating falls significantly

Fewer people believe David Cameron is doing a good job as Tory leader in recent weeks. Meanwhile, Gordon Brown's reputation has seen a slight improvement.

Conservative Party leader David Cameron has seen his leadership approval ratings decline dramatically in the past two months, new PoliticsHome polling data has revealed.

At the same time, Gordon Brown’s negative rating has eased slightly, although he remains hugely more unpopular than Cameron.

PoliticsHome is the only organisation to track public approval of party leaders and other politicians on a weekly basis. 

The job approval NET score is calculated by subtracting the percentage of people who believe a leader is doing a poor job from the percentage who believe the leader is doing a good job.

Worse job as leader

On 18th September, Cameron’s leadership approval score was +36, but on the 27th November, it had fallen to +21. Cameron's lead over Nick Clegg has gone from 17 points to 7 points in the space of two months.

Brown approval rising

Meanwhile, Gordon Brown’s Prime Ministerial approval figure has risen slightly, from -55 to -46, over the same period of time.

Figures are calculated on a three-week rolling average, using a sample of over 1000 respondents. Results are weighted by party ID to reflect the UK at large.

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James

I love the fact you need a completely separate graph for Brown due to the fact his numbers are so low!

David Thomson

I fully predicted a slump in D.C. popularity following his "U" turn on the EU gravy train. He has serious problems with many of us lifelong conservative party members being left with nowhere else to go but to vote UKIP at the general election and hopefully force a hung parliament, with UKIP joining our party to give the British people what they demand and were promised by all 3 main parties. I fully expected the socialist and liberal socialist parties to renege on their promise but not my own party of which I have been a memebr over 40 years!!

keith judge

David Cameron has no one else to blame. He has shown himself to be as slippery and unreliable as the rest of the Politicians. I am a life long supporter but not this time its the UKIP for me even if it means more of that hatefull Brown.

George Woodhouse

Easy to explain - EU referendum - or rather lack of it. Cameron needs a new policy on the EU which restores our democracy.

Dave

There is a choice 5 more years of brown if the vote is split tory/ukip/bnp or get rid of liebour, dont for one minute think ukip will get in or the libdems so make your minds up do you really want 5 more years of brown and be dragged further into the EU. The labour vote wont change but a vote for Libdem/ukip/bnp will ensure they get back in.

Major Plonquer

I think the whole point, dear boy, is that few of us can see any difference between Brown the Clown and Heir to Blair. So what if Brown is re-elected? Cameron doesn't offer anything different. You kip if you want to. I'm voting UKIP.

Little Angussie

it really is sad to see lifelong Conservative voters abandoning the party over a referendum that was useless.  Once the treaty was ratified by the Poles David Cameron's promise could no longer be followed through.

All this electing UKIP to join the Tories in a hung Parliament are pure bunkum!  It will never happen.  All you will achieve is letting that liar and cheat Brown in for another term to fleece us more and more and take more and more of our civil liberties.

But hey - that is more important than a useless referendum  that is impossible to enforce because we are locked into Europe now.  The only possible referendum in future is in or out and David Cameron has said he would look at it after the first term and see how it was turning out.

More importantly, IT WAS BROWN AND NOBODY ELSE WH RENAGED FROM HIS MANIFESTO PLEDGE OF A REFERENDUM FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE.

It is him and him only who is to blame for giving our country away lock stock and barrel with nothing in return - Blair and him gave away the opt outs that the Conservatives struggled to get and they handed them back without a whimper.  This was going to happen whenever labour came into power.

I too am a Conservative by conviction,  for all my voting life and we are a broad church - you do not get every single thing you wish for in any election, but I would never desert my party for a referendum which Brown made sure david Cameron could not enforce.

albert einstein

Yes, Brown did renege on the referendum. But Cameron gave a cast iron guarantee that he would have a referendum. He also promised us that if the Lisbon treaty was ratified before the general election it would not stop there! The only way cameron can get people, who have been disgusted by his rather swift washing of hands since ratification, to follow him is to promise a referendum in the next five years on IN or OUT. That he has already said that he will not hold such a referendum shows he does not want the British people to speak.  He is just the same as all EU lovies. So it is either Ukip or the BNP. I think that Cameron has thought he had the election in the bag. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I would rather have two more years of Brown thus ensuring the tories elect a man or woman who will promise an IN or OUT referendum! It has to come.

oldwildboy

  A negative aspect has grown strongly with the ordinary voter since MP's

expenses came to light. We feel cheated by people we once trusted to a certain degree. Too many promises have been broken in recent times and I feel the time has come, I hope, before the next election when MP's standing in each ward will have the courage to face the people and not just party members.

 

Patricia Ledger

If Team Cameron read the various comments today just what traditional Tory voters now think about Dave and his handling of the so-called 'cast-iron referendum' they should be shaking in their boots.  Perhaps that should read former Tory voters, as it looks like there will be wholesale defection.   Cameron is now seen as a man of straw.

See you in the UKIP queue Dave Judge and Albert Einstein!

Woody

I wish all you so called Conservative voters would just grow up.  We all wanted a referendum but what was the point once it had been ratified.  I feel the Labour government and Li Dems have got away with murder over this, especially by the media.

I can't believe you would vote UKIP over this, this is the surest way to let Labour in again.  Get some backbone for goodness sake, this country can't afford another five years of Labour in more ways than one.

Gordon Brown just doesn't want to beat the Conservatives at the next election, he wants to destroy the party completely and you weak excuses for Conservative voters are just playing his evil game for him.

Give David Cameron a break, I believe he is an honourable man in so far as he can be.  He can't change anything until he becomes Prime Minister, just get him past the post for goodness sake.

 

easynow

right, im a life long tory voter, i have no love for labour....but cameron keeps banging on about change.........now with his "cast iron" promise gone back on, and just saying "we wont let matters rest, is not good enough. we know that cuts are going to happen...what ever government is in power....and as from today the UK is now ruled from brussels.....it doesnt realy matter if its a "blue" government or a "red" government, they are both in the EU's pocket, they are both on the man made up climate change band wagon......the only way they will get the message (both labour, and conservatives) is to use our vote how we please, its our vote to vote for who we want ...thats what people died for isnt it ??? they didnt die so we can be either ruled by blue, then red then blue, then red again

 

if.....and its only an if as many people vote ukip...then we migh eventually get "change" and if that means another 5 years of brown then so be it.....if the country goes bust in a way people never imagined (and it could soon happen) then so be it, a nation of sheep will get a parliament of wolves,the uk is indeed a nation of sheep, to obsesed with rubbish non entities like "jedwood"...to obsesed with 24 cans o stella for a tenner, too obsessed with eastenders.....but pull the plug on all that, and they will see.......and 5 more years of id cards.....more cctv, less police, more pcso's, more wheelie bin talibans , more tax rises...more power coming from brussels, more soldiers getting killed in pointless wars, more dole scroungers,more "illegals" and "asylum seekers" more "travellers" having more rights than people who own their own land, THEN SO BE IT

blair proved what happens to a country when its "leader" becomes all things to all men......i am not going to vote in another one who is trying to be all things to all men. this country needs a  renaissance

phill

All cameron's got to do is say there be a EU referendum come rain or high water and he will win the next G E hand down. And to all the people here that  are saying THERE CANT BE A REFERENDUM is all ready past into law i say to you WHY NOT and SOD the EUSSR's rule's. 

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY  and INJOY YOUR HUNG PARLIAMENT

I do not owe this or any outher government neither loyalty nor obedience when it come's down to the EUSSR

Patricia
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I suggest Woody goes to night skule to improve his wince-making grammar

Patricia
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Sorry Woody!  I meant phill's grammar......

Patricia
  • 21:09 |
  • 01 Dec 2009
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Apologies again Woody.  I thought you were Woody Harrelson

Woody
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Patricia

Woody is a SHE!

 

David Thomson

Can I please just advise everyone that I am NOT just a traditional conservative voter, but a lifelong party member having held various branch and constituency positions as Branch Chairman, Branch Treasurer, Association Vice Chairman and Assocciation Hon. Treasurer, election agent, local authority candidate, etc.

I have to advise that I have both many family and friends thinking like myself, thus I can only assume that D.C. will pay the price for trying to hoodwink the electorate about not giving anymore powers to Brussels, since this will never materialise due to the Lisbon (EU Constitution) Treaty now not requiring any further treaties!!!!

I only wish so very much that we had a leader with the guts to represent the majority view of the British public.....wish we could bring back Maggie, our greatest P.M. since WW2. I am so very sad to hear William Hague whenever he appears on the T.V. trying to also hoodwink us and abandon his popular anti EU gravy train. The overwhelming majority of our people are simple sick and tired of subsidising French, etc peasant farmers instead of helping out our own people in need!

Shuyler Colfax

It's all feeling a bit like 1995 on here. The Tories destroying themselves over Europe and condemning themselves to the political wilderness. Keep it up. I've not laughed this much since George Osborne told us we're all in this together!

Tessa

We know what the result of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty would have been which is why Gordon Brown would not let us have one.  And we also know what the British public would want on a referendum to stay in or get out of this ludicrously expensive EU.  I fear David Cameron will not let us have this vote as he also knows what the result will be. The EU is no longer just a group of countries trading goods and allowing easy access and jobs, it has become a huge and expensive noose round our necks and we would be better without it.  Norway is not part of it and is doing very well and did not suffer a recession either!

I know that when it comes to the vote, David Thomson et al will vote Conservative as the alternative Lib Lab pact from a hung parliament is too awful to contemplate.  We must not let in Labour again by the back door.

phill

its no long about party i.e the lablibcon's.. its about country  i.e :)ukip

The torys and cameron no that thay cant win now so suck it up you torycon's.....You reap what you sow     

Shuyler Colfax

I disagree. I think David Thomson et al should stick to their principles, vote UKIP and let Labour in the back door! You'd have to see the funny side

John Smith

Let's do some logical reasoning here. Vote UKIP = Less/No Cameron Majority = Brown and his Euronut friends get back in.

The only person who is in any position to change our relationship with the EU is Cameron. If Brown gets in I have no doubt they'll be further negotiation and he'll probably make us adopt the Euro to get out of the economic mess he created. Imagine four more years of Labour. Think of it. That will happen if Cameron doesn't get in. Banging on about Europe to the electorate resulted in Tory destruction in 2001, 2005 - don't allow it to happen again.

Major Plonquer

I think you have this the wrong way around. It's not up to us voters to change our minds based on the choice of politicians we have before us. No. It's the politicians who have to change to reflect the will of the voters. That's how it works. BTW: Didn't you die to make way for Tony Blair?

Patricia

I get the distinct feeling that phill's knuckles scrape the floor when he (or she) walks...... 

phill

Yep thay do  i hate the eussr and ALL it stand's for

I NEVER VOTED FOR IT AND AM NOT GOING TO BE LORDED OVER BY ANY PARTY THAT THINK'S IT HAS A GOD GIVEN RIGTH TO RULE i.e from LiebourLibCon scum like you Patricia

AdamR

You are clearly mental.

Even Euroskeptics have said all this 'EUSSR' guff is at best an unhelpful comparison.

Try growing up for a second rather than calling people 'scum'. Who exactly are you proposing that people vote for? UKIP? Please!

They are an utterly ineffective protest group. They cannot even stand up for Britain in the European Parliament, just look at their voting record. Talking of the EU gravy train is all very well from them, especially when it is they who have two former members in jail for fraud. When it is their (former) leader, Farage, who spends taxpayers money that is doled out to him by the EU going on jollys around the UK. Thats beside the fact they have no credible policies for running the UK and getting us back on our feet after Labour's woeful failures.

UKIP have only one decent chance of getting an MP and that is Farage in Buckingham. Even there it is unlikely he'll win, for two reasons. Firstly, he's alright on TV, but when it comes to face to face interaction on the doorstep, he is useless. Secondly, for all his faults, John Bercow is well liked in his constituency as he is an effective representative.

Cameron is not perfect. But his EU policy was the best outcome from incredibly bad circumstances. The country has far bigger problems right now anyway, and it will be these that decide the election.

This is a straight choice between more Gordon and Labour, or the Tories. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a little deluded. There won't be a hung parliament, and certainly no UKIpper fantasy coalition if there was.

phill
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  • 02 Dec 2009
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lol

Sod you sod the ToryCON's and EUSSR TRAITOR.  

You see torycon it come down to onething (one traitor is as bad as another) Shaeron/clown there both pro eu and BOTH WONT let the people have a vote on th EUSSR so why in hell should i vote for them

phill

FANTASY FANTASY is it now you need to look at your polls. As it stand's YOU CANT WIN THE GE TORYCON

Shulyer Colfax

Oh dear, oh dear. The Right are getting very angry on here. I'm getting out of here. Bad things happen when the Right get angry. The Night of the Long Knives, The Anschluss, Bullingdon Club dinners. Plus their spelling and grammar goes to pot and they start calling people scum!

Major Plonquer

and you forgot the Cultural Revolution.

Barrie

To be honest I was very dissapointed in not getting the referendum that we all want, however in my heart I knew it would have been meaningless once the EU was ratified. Getting out the EU is no simple thing, and will need a proper strategy to be developed. A referendum would not have changed a thing, only made our views known, which believe me its already no secret.

What we should consider is our future involvement within the EU. It is a forgone conclusion that if Gordon Brown gets back in power, we will certainly be handing over more control to Brussels, which according to this blog is not what the majority of us want. However, if we stay calm and get David Cameron into office (as much as we are dissalusioned with him), that knowing how we feel about the EU, he will take steps to curb the amount of additional powers that Brussels will try to take over the next few years. Like it, or hate it, the Tories are the only logical choice if we don't want to be absorbed into Europe even further. Remember, the further out to sea we go in, the further the swim back.

Clarky

It amazes me that anyone would desert the Tories over the "U" turn on a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.  Its a no win situation because if there was a vote Labour would accuse the Tories of wasting public money.   These same people conveniently forget that it was Labour who has told lies and denied us the promised vote.  For God sake wake up because the UK can't take another five years of Brown and the most incompetent Govt in living memory. Isn't ruined Pensions and Savings, Govt Data bases, ID cards, more Open door Immigration, Wasteful NHS, failing Schools, Privacy intrusion, Bigger State, Cameras in Bins, wasteful Quangos, Tax and waste enough for you lot.  Anyone who allows Brown back in whether on their own or with the Liberals supporting them will consign the Tories to the wilderness for ever.  Brown will do anything now including pushing his brand of PR to stay in.  It is already a biased electoral system that favours Labour which hopefully Cameron will address if he gets in so dont be blinkered and get this awful lying spinning manipulating Labour Govt out of power. 

Corry

David Cameron let us down badly.

We send young soldiers to their death in Iraq and Afghanistan to give them democracy and we give our democracy away without even asking the people.

It is immoral and why? Norway and Switzerland are doing fantstically well. 27 Countries will never agree on anything.

E. Beecham

I want to echo David Thomson's comments. Anyone in doubt about our future destiny if we remain part of the EU should read "Ten Years On - Britain Without The European Union" by Dr. Lee Rotherham and published by The TaxPayers Alliance. It is free and takes about three hours to read - and should be compulsory reading. I have voted Tory for the last time without a referendum, after about 55 years of doing so. I too will vote for UKIP.